Is Mormonism a Cult?

A Statement from Truth in Action Ministries, Oct. 14, 2011

"While having the deepest respect for the moral and ethical standards of the Mormon people and their church, we must sadly reject their teachings as false and not Christian."
–D. James Kennedy, Ph.D.

Texas pastor Robert Jeffress generated headlines last week when he told reporters that Mormonism is a cult—a belief system at odds with historic Christianity.

Since then he has been accused of bigotry, called a “poster boy for hatred,” and a “moron.”

Despite those harsh charges, Jeffress, who backs Texas governor Rick Perry for the GOP presidential nomination, has made it clear that his view of Mormonism is theologically grounded and not an expression of bigotry. He made it clear that he would be willing to vote for Romney in the general election if he wins the Republican nomination and said he thinks that Romney is a “fine family person.”

Dr. Jeffress, the pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, does, however, stand by his statement that Mormonism is a theological cult—and we stand with him.

But what is a cult? Dr. Charles Braden, coauthor with John C. Schaffer of the book These Also Believe, said this:

By the term cult, I mean nothing derogatory to any group so classified. A cult, as I define it, is any religious group which differs significantly in one or more respects as to belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative expressions of religion in our total culture.

By that definition, the one employed by Dr. Jeffress and most evangelicals, Mormonism is a cult. Mormon teaching is in sharp disagreement with the standards of biblical Christian faith embraced by Christians for 2,000 years.

The faith founded by Joseph Smith got its start in the early 19th century, 1800 years after Christ, and differs dramatically from historic Christianity in its concept of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, salvation, and what constitutes God’s revelation to man.

The late Dr. D. James Kennedy, founder of what is now Truth in Action Ministries (formerly Coral Ridge Ministries), has said that Mormon beliefs

are in open contradiction of the clear teachings of the Bible and must, therefore, be rejected by all those who accept the Bible as the true Word of God. While having the deepest respect for the moral and ethical standards of the Mormon people and their church, we must sadly reject their teachings as false and not Christian.

Christian apologist Dr. Walter Martin, author of the authoritative reference work The Kingdom of the Cults, has written that Mormonism has “an elaborate system of doctrine which is fundamentally opposed to historic Christianity.”

Unlike God, who is revealed in the Bible to be eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, the Mormon God is merely an advanced man. Joseph Smith taught that God “was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth….” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr., Deseret Book Co, June 1977, p. 345).

Dr. Martin writes in the introduction to his Cults Reference Bible that Mormons believe God to be a “man of flesh and bone who lives on a planet called Kolob and sexually procreates spirit children with his harem of wives.”

Dr. Kennedy states in the booklet, The Wolves Among Us, that the Mormon view of God

is at once polytheistic and materialistic. It claims that there are many Gods and that Elohim is only the most advanced of this group. It also teaches that God the Father has a physical body and was once a man as we are today.

Christians have held since the first century that God is triune: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Mormon view, which holds that God was once a man and that all men have the potential to become Gods, denies the Trinity and makes the Incarnation “almost meaningless,” according to Dr. Kennedy.

The Bible teaches that Jesus is “God with us,” the eternal God in human flesh. The Mormon system, as Dr. Martin explains, teaches that Jesus is a created being, the first spirit child of God and his senior wife. Mormon doctrine holds that the younger brother of Jesus was Lucifer who challenged Jesus in his role as savior. Father God rejected Lucifer’s plan and later had sexual intercourse with Mary to bring Jesus into the world as a flesh-and-blood man.

Even this brief overview of Mormon belief about God and Jesus indicates how far removed it is from historic Christianity. While we respect and love Mormon individuals, many of whom have distinguished themselves in entertainment, business, and politics, it is a self-evident fact that Mormon doctrine is not biblical. Mormonism is not Christianity. The religion founded by Joseph Smith is, in fact, a cult.

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107 Responses to Is Mormonism a Cult?

  1. hatty05 says:

    They are absolutely right. Do they mean any harm, no. They are simply telling the truth and people have a problem w/the truth.

  2. Chas says:

    There is no serious debate that Mormonism is a cult. Only the uninformed or those seeking to confuse or denigrate say otherwise or attack the messengers. Islam is also a cult. Catholicism is not really a cult and it has much in concert in agreement with Christianity, though its church is mired in many errors. Surely we may discuss, even disagree in civil discussion and debate without the name calling. Many mormons hold fine standards of ethics and morals, but their faith and doctrines are not found in Holy Scripture.

    Jesus founded His church upon Himself. He is its foundation. He is the Christians mediator with God the Father. He alone is our high priest.

    • darryl247 says:

      Did you read the above article? Mormonism fits the definition of a cult. There is no malice in stating that fact. If you choose not to agree, that’s your choice. You’re wrong and will have to answer for it (again, no malice) but you are still free to make that decision. Islam however is a dangerous cult that we must guard against allowing to grow in the U.S. lest we all end up falling victim to that dangerous cult of violence and worshipers of death.

    • azsorensenm says:

      I am a Christian, who also happens to belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, nicknamed “Mormons.” From the time I was as child I have been taught to follow Jesus. When I was baptized I took His name upon me and promised to always remember Him and keep His commandments. It always intrigues me that certain “Christians” somehow feel authorized to disqualify others from being “Christian.” For anyone who genuinely wants to understand what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches should go to the following website: http://www.mormon.org

      In addition, a series of insightful articles were recently written for the Washington Post. The links to those articles follow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/how-do-mormons-answer-not-christian-claims/2011/10/11/gIQA9ii4eL_blog.html AND http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/mormon-beliefs-and-christian-creeds/2011/08/23/gIQAqtduZJ_blog.html

      “Mormons” worship Jesus Christ. We perceive Him to be the head of our church. It is Him that we worship. He is the mediator with God the Father and yes, He alone is our high priest. One of my favorite scriptures found in the Book of Mormon is:

      “And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.”

      Please read and ponder Matthew 7: 15-21. In verse 15 the Lord warns us to be on the lookout for false prophets. It doesn’t say there won’t be any prophets. The Lord states that a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. If the fruit is good the tree is good. Look at the fruits of “Mormonism.” What kind of people make up the “Mormon” church? How do they act? How do they behave?

      In the end, each of us bear the responsibility to evaluate things on our own. Our evaluations need to be objective and thorough…not based on what someone else has said.

      I know that Jesus Christ lives and that He is my Savior and my Redeemer. I love Him with all of my heart and I look forward to the day when he shall welcome me home with open arms.

      • kernspoon says:

        So are you denying the Mormon doctrine that Jesus’ younger brother was Lucifer and God the Father had intercourse with Mary to produce Jesus, as well as the other unbiblical beliefs? I’m not being sarcastic but am genuinely interested in what your beliefs are on these assertions.

        • azsorensenm says:

          You referenced some purported beliefs and then correctly categorized them as assertions.

          If someone had come to you at the time of Christ and told you that there was a way that you could speak in your normal voice and have someone on the complete opposite side of the world hear you and respond to you, you would have thought the person was nuts. But if you were taught the principles upon which such a thing was based, it would make a lot more sense.

          There is no way that I can answer your questions with a yes or no and have anyone understand it. There is more to it. All the truth in the universe is not currently compiled in any book. We continually learn new principles and “laws”. The discovery of “new” or previously unknown truth requires us to maintain an open mind. We may have to change our paradigm, the way we think about something, to fully understand.

          It’s interesting how the Pharisees and Sadducees continually tried to trap Jesus. They accused Him, the very Son of God, to be blasphemous. I’m sure that the teachings of Jesus, stung a little and were a little different from the preconceived ideas and beliefs of the Sadducees and Pharisees. But the Pharisees and the Sadducees already “KNEW” the truth about everything. There was nothing they could be taught because they had already made up their minds. Their minds were shut tightly and closed to the possibility of any “new” or additional truth.

          The Church of Jesus Christ believes in continuing revelation. We believe that true prophets are on the earth today. We believe that we do not know all that God knows and we believe that there is much more to be learned.

          Anytime any of us thinks we know it all, we are in a dangerous position. We dam ourselves, which is to say, we stop the flow of additional knowledge and truth. We reject what we are taught because we think we already “know” all there is to know about a particular subject.

          Again, Jesus taught us to look at the fruits. He said, “Ye shall know them by their fruits.” What are the fruits or actions of Mormons generally. Are they typically good and honest people? Are they moral and responsible? Christ said an evil tree cannot produce good fruit. If good fruit exists it came from a good tree.

          • Charlie says:

            Do you believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers plain and simple? This should not be hard for you to answer. Do you believe that the Book of Mormons does not controdict the Bible? You have said that you could not give a yes or no answer because we would not understand. Is this really the truth? I have talked with many Mormons in my life time and they have all said the same thing. They have said that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers and some of your leaders in your faith have, in fact, said that the Book of Mormons does not controdict the Bible. But it would be unfair of me to say that you did too. So what say you?

            I will tell you this that what they say is not true because of what Jesus says in the Bible. He said that He is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16 & 18). The Bibles says again in John 1: 14 & 18 and 1John 4:9 that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Therefore, Lucifer could not be His brother.

            To be open to every wind and doctrine is foolishness no matter how you slice it. To be a Christian is to believe what Jesus says and follow His teachings. There are many false Christs and false prophets out there and you have to have a standard to what you believe. If your belief is based upon Scripture you should have no problems but if you base your belief on books like The Book of Mormons that contradict the Scriptures (to what I have previously said) then you are part of a cult and you, like so many beforeyou, have been decieved.

            One more thing, Mormons are not the only ones that believe there are prophets in these last days. The Bible teaches that there are the difference is they are not the head of the Church. Jesus is.

      • bjwindy37 says:

        Okay, if you beleive in Jesus and the Bible and keep all of the Commandments, why do you go to Church on Sunday instead of the Seventh Day as the Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy, for in six days the Lord made Heaven and Earth and all that is in them, but rested on the Seventh Day. Wherefore God Blessed the Seventh Day and Hollowed it. The Catholic Church is the One that changed the day from Saturday to Sunday by their own admission. Read their Catecisim.

        • azsorensenm says:

          Do you really think God cares whether we worship Him on what we know as Sunday OR Saturday? The important thing is that we worship Him and do it regularly. To hang one’s hope for salvation on whether they worship on what they think and honestly believe in their hearts is the real Sabbath day or whether it be on a day that others believe in their hearts is the Sabbath day is not something that I believe the Lord is really going to make a big deal out of. It’s our behaviors, the goodness of our hearts, the love we show to others that matters. God said that the first and great commandment was to love Him and the second like unto it, love your neighbors as yourselves. He then said, paraphrasing, “on this hangeth the law and the prophets.”

          I really believe that anyone who produces good fruit, who is humble and teachable and meek and kind and genuinely loves God and one’s fellow human beings is going to be acceptable to God.

          • John Aman says:

            You said: “I really believe that anyone who produces good fruit, who is humble and teachable and meek and kind and genuinely loves God and one’s fellow human beings is going to be acceptable to God.”

            Jesus said, “Be ye perfect as your heavenly father is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). That’s the standard God imposes on us–one which none of us can meet. Which is why all of us sinners need a savior. “All we like sheep have gone astray, and the Lord has laid on him [Christ] the iniquity of us all” (Isaiah 53). We are all sinners; none of us perfectly fulfills God’s righteous commands. That is why we need a Savior, someone who can do for us what we simply CANNOT do–perfectly fulfill God’s righteous requirements. As Paul said in 2 Corinthians, “He made him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” That’s the good news. Salvation is a free gift–it is not earned or worked for. As Paul said to the Ephesians: “For by grace are you saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.” That, and only that, is the only way to be acceptable to God. It’s a free gift to us poor sinners. Thank God!

        • SJBPraise says:

          I’m going to stay out of the Mormon part of the debate at this point and address the Sunday worship -

          First – it was on the first day of the week when Jesus rose from the dead. (John 20; Mark 16, especially verse 9) Luke 24:6 even says to remember what he had said about when he would be raised, which is just what happened. That makes it a very significant day for worship. Many focus on the resurrection at Easter – all should focus on it on a weekly basis. How can I make such a claim? Read on…

          Next – the Lord’s Supper was initiated on the first day of the week. (Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12) This was actually prior to his resurrection, but ties in with…

          Then, 1 Corinthians 11:23 demonstrates that Paul passed on the Lord’s Supper to the people of Corinth “when they came together” (Verse 20). Chapter 16 then has a direct command for them to take up a collection on the first day of the week. The connection doesn’t slap you in the face, but if when they came together for the Lord’s Supper was when they came together for the collection, then that was the first day of the week. Acts 20:7 makes it clear – “On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.”

          Finally, Paul tells Timothy (2 Timothy 2:8) to “remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead”. When was that? The first day of the week. So when is it logical to remember? Did you have big 9/11 memorial services on 9/2? Sure, some may have done so every day over the last 10 years, as did the early Christians (see Acts 2:46), but the time when most everyone in the US does so is 9/11. So it is with our remembrance of the resurrection on the first day of the week.

          So what is wrong with the old Sabbath law? It is incomplete. (Hebrews 10) It couldn’t make you perfect, just temporarily okay. And under the new priesthood of Jesus, a new law was established (Hebrews 7:12). The old law of sin and death has no hold over those living their life in Christ Jesus. (Romans 8)

          The people of God in the old testament celebrated the biggest day in their history – the day God rested after creating his masterwork. Christians celebrate a bigger day – that which finally makes perfect the sacrifice that cleanses us.

          Read the Bible. The Catholics didn’t change the day of worship. And their catechism isn’t holy scripture any more than the book of Mormon. The Bible is all the instruction we need. Oops. I was leaving the Mormon argument out. :D

      • csmithsr90 says:

        Your quote from Mosiah 3:17 says it all. Jesus is omnipotent. If you have obtained the priesthood, you know that according to Mormon doctrine, this is not true. If you have not you need to check this with your Bishop and be prepared for a real education. Your Jesus cannot create ex nihilo, that is he cannot create anything from nothing. Your Jesus is not eternal, that is he had a beginning. He was born as a spirit being to Elohim. He is not one in substance with the Father, but rather is his child spiritually, and physically. He is not omnipresent, he can only be in one place at a time. Your Jesus does not meet any of the characteristics of the Jesus portrayed in the Bible starting from, lets say an old testament passage, Isaiah 9 (actually much before this, but Isaiah spells it out so well) to the last book of the Bible, Revelations. Just because Joseph Smith decided to have his religion based on a cultural parody of Christianity does not make it Christian. Just because you use the name Jesus, you are not Christian. To put a real sting in your bonnet, Jesus in John chapter 8 declared Himself to be “I am”, referring to God’s name for Himself. When you read that passage in Hebrew you find that Elohim names Himself YHWH (where we get Jehovah from). Elohim is Jehovah is Jesus… If you are really interested I can point you to the real Jesus through the Book of Mormon, and show you where on at least 38 occasions LDS theology does not line up with the teachings of that same book. Oh by the way find a copy printed before the 1981 rewrite. I suggest the 1950 printing of the 1878 version, such as I have. Just to set things straight, I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the Mormon “church” [sic].

        • csmithsr90 says:

          The “passage concerning “I Am” that I said Jesus was referring to was in Exodus chapter 3 … “Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I shall say to them, `The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, `What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, `I AM has sent me to you.’”

          Each time you read the word “God” here it is the word Elohim in Hebrew. the last “I Am” is the tetragrammeton YHWH.

      • Dennis1954 says:

        I have worked with many Mormons and consider them friends. However, they do not believe that Jesus’ blood atonement is sufficient. The differences between orthodox Christianity and the LDS religion are so great that the two are irreconcilable. The LDS religion puts many requirements on its members that are not to be found anywhere in the Bible. The Book of Mormon has been declared fantasy by the Smithsonian Institute, and there is no factual basis for its claim of 7 lost tribes or civilization in the New World. The other two books regarded as part of LDS orthodoxy are also unbiblical. The simple truth is that the LDS religion was made up in the 19th century. I report all of this without contempt, but it is the truth. The truth shall set you free. A former Mormon told me that most LDS people know the claims of the Mormon religion do not add up. Our friend azsorensenm speaks much of Jesus, but leaves out much of what is the whole cloth of the LDS religion.

    • bjwindy37 says:

      You are absolutely right. Mormons are wonderful people but their religion is cultic. They have their own Bible and do not really beleive in Jesus Christ as God. I know because some of our own family are Mormon.

    • mbutte says:

      I have read your coment and agree that all these false religions are indeed cults, however I was shocked to read that while you consider these others to be cults you refer to Catholics as not exactly a cult. It is the biggest cult of all. It serves, prays to and worships a doctrine of demons! Yes, Catholicisim is a CULT! I was raised in this cult and now Praise JESUS was delivered to TRUTH by the grace of MY LORD and I will do all the LORD will give me through HIS mercy and grace to expose this fact. I have an entire family who will not listen and burn in hell because of this false religion that uses the name of our SAVIOR to do the bidding of Satan. I will pray for all. In Jesus, Marguerite Roy

      • celtsgirl says:

        If you were Catholic at one point it was apparently in name only; as you were obviously not taught any of the history, theology, or precepts of the Church.

        Namely, the Catholic Church is the only church that can trace its orgin directly and uninterruptedly back to Jesus. (However, the very first Christians wouldn’t have called themselves Catholic until several decades later when St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote a letter to Smyrna using the Greek word “katholikos” to describe the universal faith of the church.) Jesus gave Peter his name when He said “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.” (The name we use, Peter, comes from the Greek word “petra”, meaning bedrock.)

        For the first 1000+ years of Christianity, there was only one Christian Church – the Catholic Church. In 1054 the Catholic Church had a scism based on political and social events and part of it broke off into Eastern Orthodox. All other Christian denominations were founded by MEN.

        As far as your leaving the Catholic Church… Even if your parish were a social house of horrors, that would not justify your leaving the Church. It might be a good reason to find a different parish, but abandoning the faith? That indicates you hardly had much faith to abandon. Even so, I’m glad you have found Jesus in your life now.

        That you speak so badly of your family in the name of Jesus, our Great Redeemer and King, who Himself made sure we understood that to bear false witness against our neighbor is one of the greatest sins, makes me very sad.

    • edisme says:

      Chas,

      With all defference to your beliefs…why would you cll Mormonism a cult, but give the Catholic Church a pass?

      While full of orthodoxy and format, Catholic beliefs are far from biblical.

      For instance, one mark of a cult is the existence in the group of a surpreme leader having all truth.

      The Pope is the “Surpreme” leader of the Roman Catholic Church…such that when he sits on the Chair Of Peter, upon a cushion with a relic inside, and speaks on a doctrine of Faith or Morals…he is considered to ber INFALIBLE,

      Again, the Catholic Church believes that through the miracle of Transsubstantiation, the bread and wine served during their Communion Services, each and evry time, turns into the real Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

      Therefore, based on odd or un-biblical beliefs, where do you draw the line between Mormonism and Catholicisim?

      For centuries, the Protestant description of the major religions in the United States was, “Catholics, Christians and Jews”. Why was the Catholic Church placed outside the
      Christian world?

      As to Mormonism and their belief in Christ, and hence their claim as Christian, we need to remember that the name of the Mormon Church is really, “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”.

      Granted an odd name for an unusual people, but would you name your church after a figure in whom you did not believe, or would you worship under that name because He is the quintessential element of your belief?

      In case you are wondering…no, I am not a Mormon, nor have I ever been.
      However, I am a past Catholic with many years of Catholic Grammar School, High School and Catholic University training.

      Blessings,

      Edisme

      • celtsgirl says:

        I hope I can respond in a confident, clear, and charitable way, and apologize if my above comment offended you or Marguerite in anyway. My replies are not meant to be argumentative, but to clarify the beliefs of the Catholic Church.

        Catholic beliefs are based on biblical facts and traditions. I will assert that since you now claim that you are a Christian that you have read the bible, which itself tells us to keep the traditions in not only the old, but the New Testament.

        God is the Catholic Church’s supreme leader. On May 28, 2006 Pope Benedict XVI said, “What we believe is important, but even more important is the One in whom we believe.

        The pope speaks infallibly ONLY when he defines doctrines or makes an authoritative decision in doctrinal questions of faith and morals. For example, some Christians have decided that abortion doesn’t fall under the commandment, “Thou shall not kill.” The pope clearly states that abortion is taking a life.

        You mentioned Transubstantiation, which is precisely what Christ told us to do in the gospels when, *He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”* (Luke 22:19) Note that Jesus did not say “This is LIKE my body.”

        When you asked why Catholics were listed separately in the Protestants description of the major religions in the United States, you answered your own question. The Protestants made their own separation.

        Many churches name themselves various names, such as Protestant, Lutheran, Presbyterian, 7th Day Adventist, Non-Denominational, etc. That doesn’t mean they fall under the realm of a cult. The Catholic Church teaches that we are to strive to see the good in all religions and people.

        Being a baptized Christian (of any stripe, Catholic, Protestant, etc.) is a lot like being a Marine… Once a Marine, always a Marine. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t or won’t do something to divorce yourself from life in Christ; or in the case of the Marine, dishonorably discharged.

    • james godar says:

      MY EX SISTER IN LAW IS A MORMAN,I LOVE HER TO PIECES,BUT ACCORDING TO MY BAPTIST BELIEFS,A PERSON MUST BELIEVE THAT GOD IS IN THREE PERSONS AND HE LIVE S IN THE THIRD HEAVEN ,WITH JESUS WAITING FOR HIS ENEMIES TO BE MADE HIS FOOT STOOL,I’M SORRY TO HAVE TO SAY THIS BUT IF MORMAN’S BELIEVE THE STUFF THAT JOSEPH SMITH
      GOT OUT OF HIS HAT WITH ROCKS IN IT,THEY (MORMAN’S ARE HELL BOUND,AND THAT MAKES ME SAD TO THINK ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOST,THE DEVIL HAS A STRONG HOLD ON THOSE POOR PEOPLE.

  3. kelleybieberle says:

    Wow I have been a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for over 20 years and have NEVER been taught what you wrote in your article. The majority of what you have written is false and just a way to slander us to which I take great offense. These kind of lies are just that, lies to defame our heritage and the doctrine most of us are willing to die for. Unfortunately most people who read this will think you are correct (which you are NOT). I invite all to go to Mormon.org to learn the TRUE teachings of Mormonism.

    • bjwindy37 says:

      Okay. Our Son-in-law is a Mormon as is his parents. So we do know what they believe. And from what we have been told it is not in Jesus Christ as a whole. We love our Son-in-law and his family very much. The Mormon Bible was written (as we understand it by) a Mormon and does not coinside with the true King James Bible, which we understand is THE real Bible.

      • azsorensenm says:

        Dear bjwindy37,

        It’s obvious from your comments that you don’t really know very much about what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints teaches. I suspect that you have not done any in depth research from a place like http://www.mormon.org.

        There is no Mormon Bible. We believe in the King James version of the Holy Bible. It is the record of God’s people in and around Jerusalem. We also believe that God spoke to and had prophets on the American continent. The Book of Mormon is their record. A Mormon did not WRITE the Book of Mormon. It is a translation taken from an ancient record. We believe that God spoke to and taught His children on the American continent just as He did His children in and around Jerusalem. We also believe that following His death and resurrection, Jesus Christ visited His people on the American continent and taught them His gospel.

        “Mormons” believe in the Godhead. We believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. We believe that they are separate and distinct beings. The current widely accepted description of God was formulated in the Nicene Creed. This was headed up by a pagan by the name of Constantine.

        Through modern revelation and consistent with the Bible, we have learned that God the Father and God the Son are two separate and distinct beings and that they have gl0rified bodies of flesh and bone. We believe that, as the Bible says, we are created after God’s image or in the image of God. We believe that we are His children and that He is indeed the Father of our spirits.

        The widely accepted belief at the time of Columbus was that the world was flat. How many thousands of years did people believe that the world was flat? Believing didn’t make it so, even though it was the historical description of the world.

        Discoveries like the world is a globe or sphere were discovered by people of action…by people who were inquisitive and were willing to challenge the widely accepted opinions of their day. Too many people are willing to believe what others tell them without doing any independent investigating themselves. If you really want to know what “Mormons” believe, go to http://www.mormon.org

        • phathcox says:

          The Nicene Creed is as follows: We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, ONE IN BEING WITH THE FATHER. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen…..The Council of Nicea (325 AD) in which the Nicene Creed was developed was not something Constantine accomplished by himself. The council was attended by over 300 bishops. The creed was developed mainly to combat heretical teachings about Jesus and the other members of the Trinity such as arianism. The sticking point at the Nicene Council was a concept called homoousion. According to the concept of homo-ousion, Christ the Son was consubstantial (the Roman translation for the Greek, meaning ‘sharing the same substance’) with the Father. Arius and and Bishop Eusebius disagreed. Arius thought the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were materially separate from each other, and that the Father created the Son (arianism). Arius and his followers, the Arians, believed if the Son were equal to the Father, there would be more than one God. The opposing Trinitarians believed it diminished the importance of the Son to make him subordinate to the Father. So you see separating the members of the Holy Trinity into separate beings has been a heresy taught from way back. There is one God in three persons (the trinity) but they are not separate from each other.

          • fproy2222 says:

            It is said that I belong to a cult because I do not believe that the men at Nicene had athority from God to add definations to His Word. These definations are from men and they take away from God’s Word by narrowing there meanings.

            fred

          • John Aman says:

            Dear Fred,

            We believe that the N creed is faithful to biblical teaching about the nature of Christ. However, it is Scripture, not the creed that is the ultimate authority. From an earlier post relating to the N Creed in which I cite both Scripture and the teaching of both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, with citations:

            The Council of Nicea merely ratified what is taught in the New Testament. I referenced it to demonstrate what the Church believed, based on Scripture. The Bible is unequivocal as to the nature of Jesus Christ. He is “God with us” (Matt. 1:23). We learn in John 1:1 that the “Word [Jesus Christ] was God.” Jesus declared in John 10:30-33, “I and My Father are one.” Jesus received worship. Thomas declared in John 20:28, “My Lord and my God.” Jesus did not correct Him. Paul refers to Jesus in Titus 2:13 as “our great God and Savior.” All that to say that the Nicene Creed correctly distilled the manifest teaching of Scripture about the nature and deity of Jesus.

            But what does the Mormon church actually teach about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? First, as to God, Mormonism is polytheistic. Joseph Smith said, “In the begining, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 349). Brigham Young said, “Gods exist, and we had better strive to be prepared to be one with them” (Journal of Discourses, 7:238).

            Mormonism believes that God is merely an exalted man. Joseph Smith said “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).

            Mormonism denies the immaterial nature of God. Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22, teaches that “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s: the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.” This directly contradicts Jesus Christ who said in John 4:24, “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

            The Incarnation of Jesus Christ took place, according to Luke, through the agency of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35). Mormon teaching denies this and does in fact deny, as well, the deity of Christ. Deity here is defined as that majestic being who is uncreated, eternal, immutable, omnipontent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

            Brigham Young laid out in Journal of Discourses (1:50-51) a description of Christ’s origin that is utterly alien to the Gospels and Old Testament prophecy, such as Isaiah 7:14. According to Mormon prophet Young, and this has not been contradicted, according to cults scholar Dr. Walter Martin,

            “When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit their bodies became mortal from Its effects; and therefore theiroffspring were mortal. When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten Him in His own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family. When he took a tabernacle it was begotten by His Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. From the fruits of the earth the first earthly tabernacles were originated by the Father, and so on in succession. … Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven.”

            Here young conflates Adam and God, and makes the Adam-God deity the Father of Jesus. Young states about this Adam-God the following: “When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world…. He is our Father and our God, and the only one with whom We have to do” (Journal of Discourses, 1:50).

            It’s clear that Mormonism uses Christian terms, but attaches entirely different meanings to them than what is meant by Scripture or historic Christianity. I will accept your affirmation of faith in Jesus Christ at face value. However, if you are a faithful well-informed Mormon who espouses the teachings of your church, then I have to say that the one you worship is not the same as the one eternal true God revealed in Scripture: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

          • fproy2222 says:

            [The Council of Nicea merely ratified what is taught in the New Testament.]

            You seem to agree with the teachings of the MEN at Nicene. Like me, you most likley grew up being taught God’s Word filtered through these narrowing definitions that was man made.

            Please study the Bible without accepting the man made creeds placed on top of it.

            There is a difference.

            fred

        • Charlie says:

          Hi azsorensenm
          I have heard this explination before for the reason the Mormons believe the Book of Mormon to be a record of another testament of Jesus Christ in America. Really? What about Africa, Austraila, or any other country. Why would there only be a record for America?Why would God only be concerned for America and forget the other countries if If America needed the Book of Mormon as you and many other Mormons have said?

          The Bible has been translated from well documented manuscripts and all you say is the Book of Mormon was translated from an ancient record. What ancient record because it almost sounds like you are trying to “pull a rabbit out of the hat” here? Can this record be verified or is this for Joseph Smith’s eyes only and we are just to take his word for it. Jesus said by the mouth of two let every word be established. Joseph Smith is only one man.

          You say that God the Father and God the Son have gl0rified bodies of flesh and bone. This is directly the opposite of what Jesus says in John 4:24 “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” If You got this from the Book Of Mormon, than we have another contradiction with the Bible and the Book of Mormon because the Bible doesn’t say such things.

          Your explination of the world being flat as the excepted view at the time as to say we need to challenge our views from these accepted views of today is a strong imlication that you are saying there is a new gospel because the accepted views of today is what is found in scripture without the aid of the Book of Mormon. This then would imply that the Book of Mormon is a new gospel or even another gospel.
          Look at what Paul says about this in Galatians 1:6-9
          6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
          7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
          8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
          9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

          Notice here that Paul speaks of an angel preaching another gospel? How is it that Joseph recieved these golden plates that he translated into the Book of Mormon? Weren’t they given to him by an angel and taken back to heaven for no one else to see as we are lead to believe?

          I know there is more to Mormonism than what I’ve covered here but in responce to what you’ve said I truly believe you are of a cult which would be outside the teachings of Christ. The sad part about this is you seem to be a nice person that is devoted to how you believe but you have been decieved. To repeat one of your phrases for the Book of Mormon to be right,”believing didn’t make it so” but to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ that is found in Scripture to what you say you believe does. If you truly believe in the Bible why would you even need the Book of Mormon since the gospel of Jesus Christ is already found there?

    • Dennis1954 says:

      If you are Christian, will you give up these books: Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith’s version of the Bible?

      Do you believe that the blood atonement of Jesus is sufficient?

      Will you refuse to baptize deceased non-Mormons into the LDS religion, which is not to be found in the Bible?

      Will you refuse to pay the fees demanded of you by your ward?

      Will you refuse to seek a “recommend” which is nowhere to be found in the Bible or orthodox Christianity?

  4. rtimms63 says:

    From all the years I have studied the Bible, The word of God in Hebrews states that Jesus is higher than any Angel and therefore cannot be the Angel that Mormonism teaches. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the Angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee ? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me Son.
    This clearly sets apart the Deity of Christ as on who was from the beginning ; The Father, The Son, And the Holy Ghost. These are three in one as the scripture teaches. Only a real Christian and child of God can understand these things, for they are spiritually understood, for the natural man understands not the word of God.
    Mormonism, and many others who deny the deity of Christ are in the wrong. May God open their hearts and save their souls before it is too late.

  5. fastgramma says:

    it’s refreshing to see that the truth can be expressed without namecalling. yes, Mormonism is a cult. a religious set of beliefs not based in Holy Scripture is all that this means. people quickly think of satanism and other more obvious sets of beliefs when the word cult is used, however, this article unemotionally explains the real and broader meaning of the word. man has created many “cults” in his desire to elevated himself as a leader and self-made god in the eyes of followers. one has to go back to Scripture to discern one from the other. some will bring up writings that were not included in Holy Scripture as we have it in the Bible. I have to believe that those who selected what writings were to be included in the Bible were Spirit-filled and led by God to choose as were the writers of Scripture.

    • rtimms63 says:

      I agree completely ,because the bible has the answers to the truth. 2 Peter tells us in verse 16 that All
      scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: v.17 goes on and concludes the matter, That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
      Again it comes down to the Holt Spirit’s dividing the Word of God rightly in the heart of the believer. Are you saved ? Then if you are, you can see clearly that the true meaning of the Word will be living in the heart and mind of the true believer. Jesus said that it would be a well of living water springing up into eternal life. I am persuaded that God is able to keep that which he has committed unto me till the day which he has set aside for the faith he has given me, and he will complete it. It is the gift of God and not of our works, lest any man should boast. Keep the faith and look up, for your redemption draweth near. It is closer than most suspect.
      Ronald

  6. webweb says:

    Knowing the history and doctrine of Mormonism, the only statement I differ with is this is the quote from Doctor Kennedy, “While having the deepest respect for the moral and ethical standards of the Mormon people and their church”. To teach that god is up in heaven having sexual intercourse with his several wives is not only an immoral teaching it is blasphemous.

  7. Andyman2151 says:

    Any organization that denies the deity of Christ is a cult and Mormonism is no acception. As Dr. Walter Martin stated in his book, The Kingdom of the Cults . . Mormonism has “an elaborate system of doctrine which is fundamentally opposed to historic Christianity.” It may be considered politically incorrect today to say it, but Mormonism is a cult.

    • azsorensenm says:

      Dear Andyman2151,

      In your posting your wrote, Any organization that denies the deity of Christ is a cult and Mormonism is no [exception].

      Please don’t bear false witness. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does NOT deny the deity of Christ. In fact, we do the exact opposite…we proclaim and testify of the deity of Christ.

      “Mormonism” does not have an elaborate system of doctrine which is opposed to Christianity. It may differ from some “historic” Christianity, but it is in total agreement with true Christianity.

      Our doctrine makes sense and is simple…so simple that even a child can understand it.

      I think people don’t want the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be true because acknowledging any relevance to it would suggest that each of us may need to do a little more than just accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, to enter the kingdom of heaven. In fact the scripture found in Matthew 7:21 states, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” How much more straightforward can it get? Are any of us perfect? NO! Do any of us keep the commandments perfectly? NO! Can any of us get into heaven based only on our good works? NO! All of us are fallen and separated from God. Each of us needs the cleansing power of Christ in order to qualify for His kingdom. But it’s not enough to just say, Lord, Lord, rather we must also do the will of our Father in Heaven. We must be genuinely converted and committed to Jesus Christ and His teachings. And even with our best efforts we could not qualify for entrance into God’s kingdom except through the blood of Christ, our Savior. This is what “Mormons” believe.

      There is so much misinformation in the world about what “Mormons” believe. And there seems to be no shortage of people who are NOT “Mormons” but who are self-declared authorities on what the “Mormon” church teaches and what “Mormons” believe.

      • Hal_C says:

        Not true. Your church declares the divinity of a Jesus born by the god of this world who is but one of many gods. The God of the bible declares that there are NO other gods than Him.
        The Mormon church teaches that man can become a god by following the rituals of their church, dont they?
        I bear testimony to you that Joseph Smith was a false prophet and that the Mormon church is a cult based on the lies of a false prophet and my testimony is true. Amen.

        • azsorensenm says:

          Dear Hal_C,

          The “Mormon” church does NOT teach that man can become a god by following the rituals of their church.

          We do believe that we are the children of God. We believe that He is literally the Father of our spirits and we believe that the potential to become like Him is in each of us. It is by following God’s commandments that we become more like Him. Christ challenged us to become perfect like our Father in heaven. Why would he challenge us to do something that is not even possible? What does living forever mean to you? Do you believe that any of us will be resurrected and then live forever? God made us in His own image. What does that mean to you and why would He have created us in His image? Why do we call God, “Father in Heaven”? Why did Jesus command us to pray to our “Father in Heaven”?
          Isn’t it just possible that we really are His children?

          I know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, called by God to restore His church. There was a falling away from the truth and God restored the fulness of truth to the earth once again through Joseph Smith. God followed the same pattern He has always followed, that of calling prophets to teach and testify.

          Any one who is genuinely sincere can obtain his or her own assurance that this is true through sincere prayer.

          • Hal_C says:

            I know that Joseph Smith was a false prophet because when held to God’s standard as put forth in Deuteronomy, Joseph fails the test. God said if just ONE prophecy made in His name proved untrue that person was a false prophet. Joseph Smith had MANY of his prophecies that did not come true. Eternal salvation is not based on “do unto others”, but on knowing that Jesus Christ is the only means of salvation and that came by the blood He shed on the cross, not some man-made rituals like your “sign of the nail”, “sure sign of the nail” , embrace, baptism in a LDS/Mormon temple, etc.

          • exposingdarkness says:

            Gordon .B. Hinckley one of Mormons head prophets stated the following in April 2002 Gerenal conference.”As a church,we have critics-many of them they say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. there is some substance to what they say. Our faith, Our Knowledge, is not based on ancient traditions,Our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation.

            Thomas Stuart Feruson
            Has spent millions of dollars by the Mormon church to look for evidence but has found none.

            on page 43 of the book 1Nephi 18;25 it say the ass and the horse. horses were not in America at this time.

            on page 234 of the book of Alma it talks about Nephite coinage there has been no record of any coinage found to be by Nephite people in America or in any other continent.

            on page 481 chp 8 v2 it states that there was a great battle, but to this day archaeologist have found no evidence of this battle. no bodies,swords,etc.

            on page 487 of the book Ether it talks about reformed Egyptian. there is no record of this.
            on the page 516 cph 15 it states millions were slain where is the proof on any continent?

            The difference between the book of Mormon and the Holy King James Bible is proven archaeology.The book of Mormon has no maps in them like most bibles do. do you know why?because all the cities they mention in the book of Mormon are fictional. for example if i pick a city in the bible like Jerusalem, we can go there to this very day. not so with the made up cities of the book of Mormon.

          • Dennis1954 says:

            Do you believe in the Holy Trinity, which is part of orthodox Christianity?

      • Dennis1954 says:

        azsorensenm, you’re advocating “works” as necessary to gain entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven. This is not what the Bible says. Christianity is not about “works.” And it is not a “religion.” It is a faith, and Jesus’ sacrificial atonement paid our ransom for Heaven. When you cite “doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” as justification for works, you are on shaky ground theologically. In fact, you are wrong.

  8. Neuroman2 says:

    A cult is simple to define. Jesus plus anything is a cult. The Bible plus anything is a cult. If one must add anything to the Gospel or Jesus it is without merit. Prof Domman

  9. Chalkbrd says:

    I’ve studied Mormonism and talked to many one on one. It definitely does not line up to biblical Christianity. The sad thing is, though, that most of the newer converts don’t understand what it really teaches until they are drawn in too far to get back out. If Mormonism were presented as it truly is, without using Christian terms that have been twisted in their definitions, most people would reject it quickly as having to do much more with the realm of science fiction than biblical Christianity.

    The only reason people say it is Christian is that it uses the same terms. The key is to educate people in what exactly the Mormon beliefs are in regards to those terms.

    • srulison says:

      Well said. Definitions and perspectives are all important when discussing beliefs and practices. Sadly many in the media are woefully ignorant of both of these (back to Jeffers’ original comments which were accurate.) I recently sent an email to Laura Ingraham’s radio program, quoting Dr. Martin’s classic, The Kingdom of the Cults, and pointing out the woeful ignorance of both Carl Rove and Dick Morris, when discussing these issues. The difference between an individual’s beliefs and the actual teachings of their religion is frequently at odds, and depends on their maturity and desire to actually “grow” in their faith. This can be due either to simple ignorance, or outright denial, as evidenced by many of the above comments by Mormons. The same can be said of the Freemasons. Most of the Masons I have talked to don’t have the foggiest idea of the origins of their teachings, and genuinely believe that the “G” in their symbol stands for God. Hence their beliefs, in their minds, may be genuinely Christian.
      Accurate definitions, perspectives, and history are all-important in understanding the issues.

  10. caligirl48 says:

    I agree. I’m curious though to know if there would be the same reaction if another group had said something similar about Christianity. The sad thing is that the main stream media probably wouldn’t have even blinked an eye because it’s OK to say anything about Christians.

  11. azsorensenm says:

    I am a Christian, who also happens to belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, nicknamed “Mormons.” From the time I was as child I have been taught to follow Jesus. When I was baptized I took His name upon me and promised to always remember Him and keep His commandments. It always intrigues me that certain “Christians” somehow feel authorized to disqualify others from being “Christian.” For anyone who genuinely wants to understand what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches should go to the following website: http://www.mormon.org

    In addition, a series of insightful articles were recently written for the Washington Post. The links to those articles follow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/how-do-mormons-answer-not-christian-claims/2011/10/11/gIQA9ii4eL_blog.html AND http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/post/mormon-beliefs-and-christian-creeds/2011/08/23/gIQAqtduZJ_blog.html

    “Mormons” worship Jesus Christ. We perceive Him to the be the head of our church. It is Him that we worship. He is the mediator with God the Father and yes, He alone is our high priest. One of my favorite scriptures found in the Book of Mormon is:

    “And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.”

    Please read and ponder Matthew 7: 15-21. In verse 15 the Lord warns us to be on the lookout for false prophets. It doesn’t say there won’t be any prophets. The Lord states that a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. If the fruit is good the tree is good. Look at the fruits of “Mormonism.” What kind of people make up the “Mormon” church? How do they act? How do they behave?

    In the end, each of us bear the responsibility to evaluate things on our own. Our evaluations need to be objective and thorough…not based on what someone else has said.

    I know that Jesus Christ lives and that He is my Savior and my Redeemer. I love Him with all of my heart and I look forward to the day when he shall welcome me home with open arms.

    • John Aman says:

      We’re grateful for your response. We accept your affirmation of personal devotion to Jesus Christ, but need to remind you that the official doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does diminish the deity and uniqueness of Jesus Christ. It is impossible to believe that Jesus is very God of very God, as the Nicene Creed affirms, and have a serious and conscientious commitment to Mormon teaching, which holds that Christ is a created being, as the statement above indicates. I would urge you to consult the actual words of Mormon authoritative texts on key topics like the nature of God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, the means of salvation, and the inspiration of the Bible–and compare with what is taught by the actual words of the Bible.

      The audio link at the bottom of the statement features a speech by James Walker, a fourth-generation Mormon who discovered the discrepancy between biblical Christianity and Mormon teaching. It’s well-worth listening to.

      • azsorensenm says:

        Dear John,

        Please do some research into the Nicene Creed and when and how it was written. How can you believe the Nicene Creed is authoritative and from God? It was written by men, however well meaning, and is not the word of God.

        James Walker, a fourth generation “Mormon” is only one of millions of “Mormons.” Every church has members who are offended or become disgruntled with the teachings and/or behaviors of their particular church.

        Your comment, “the official doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does diminish the deity and uniqueness of Jesus Christ” is only your opinion and is not accurate. As a practicing “Mormon” let me make it perfectly clear: “We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Savior and Redeemer of the world.” We don’t diminish Him in any way. In fact, it is He that we adore, worship and seek our salvation through. There is no other name or way we can obtain salvation except and only through Jesus Christ. That is what we believe.

        There are hundreds of different “Christian” denominations and each understands and interprets the Bible a little differently than their fellow “Christians.” Why are you and others like you so determined to bear false witness against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

        Each of us has the inherent right and freedom to worship God according to the dictates of our own conscience. It is arrogant for you to disqualify “Mormons” from the Christian family. There are so many more similarities than there are differences.

        You and I and everyone else on this planet is at battle with Satan. Why would you fight against your Christian brothers, who are fighting the same battle that you are? It is so baffling to me that you and others like you, anoint yourselves as the authority on what qualifies as Christian and not Christian. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that’s all that it is. And when you and I come face to face with Jesus Christ, I think you will recognize the wasted energy and pettiness of your battle against “Mormonism.”

        Regardless of our difference of opinion I still love you as a Christian brother. I just think you have some misconceptions and I think you are “straining at a gnat.”

        • Hal_C says:

          Let’s be honest. The Mormons do teach that “Jesus is the son of god”, but they also teach that Lucifer is also a son of god and that Luciifer and Jesus are brothers, don’t they? In fact, Mormonism teaches that there are many gods, and the god of this world was once a man who became a god, isn’t that true? Isn’t it said in the Mormon congregations “As man is, god was and as god is, I shall be?” Where did Jesus ever teach that? Or where does it say in the Bible that you must be baptized in a Mormon Temple to get into Heaven,? If that’s true, then why was Jesus baptized in the river Galilee and not the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem? In the Bible there was and will only be one Temple which was commanded and ordained by God, the temple in Jerusalem. That was to show mankind that there was only one true God. Not multiple temples, not multiple gods as Mormonism teaches. One God who can create worlds from nothing, not some man who became a god and creates spirit babies by having intercourse with many wives.

        • John Aman says:

          The Council of Nicea merely ratified what is taught in the New Testament. I referenced it to demonstrate what the Church believed, based on Scripture. The Bible is unequivocal as to the nature of Jesus Christ. He is “God with us” (Matt. 1:23). We learn in John 1:1 that the “Word [Jesus Christ] was God.” Jesus declared in John 10:30-33, “I and My Father are one.” Jesus received worship. Thomas declared in John 20:28, “My Lord and my God.” Jesus did not correct Him. Paul refers to Jesus in Titus 2:13 as “our great God and Savior.” All that to say that the Nicene Creed correctly distilled the manifest teaching of Scripture about the nature and deity of Jesus.

          But what does the Mormon church actually teach about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? First, as to God, Mormonism is polytheistic. Joseph Smith said, “In the begining, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 349). Brigham Young said, “Gods exist, and we had better strive to be prepared to be one with them” (Journal of Discourses, 7:238).

          Mormonism believes that God is merely an exalted man. Joseph Smith said “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).

          Mormonism denies the immaterial nature of God. Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22, teaches that “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s: the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.” This directly contradicts Jesus Christ who said in John 4:24, “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

          The Incarnation of Jesus Christ took place, according to Luke, through the agency of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35). Mormon teaching denies this and does in fact deny, as well, the deity of Christ. Deity here is defined as that majestic being who is uncreated, eternal, immutable, omnipontent, omnipresent, and omniscient.

          Brigham Young laid out in Journal of Discourses (1:50-51) a description of Christ’s origin that is utterly alien to the Gospels and Old Testament prophecy, such as Isaiah 7:14. According to Mormon prophet Young, and this has not been contradicted, according to cults scholar Dr. Walter Martin,

          “When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit their bodies became mortal from Its effects; and therefore theiroffspring were mortal. When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten Him in His own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family. When he took a tabernacle it was begotten by His Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. From the fruits of the earth the first earthly tabernacles were originated by the Father, and so on in succession. … Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven.”

          Here young conflates Adam and God, and makes the Adam-God deity the Father of Jesus. Young states about this Adam-God the following: “When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world…. He is our Father and our God, and the only one with whom We have to do” (Journal of Discourses, 1:50).

          It’s clear that Mormonism uses Christian terms, but attaches entirely different meanings to them than what is meant by Scripture or historic Christianity. I will accept your affirmation of faith in Jesus Christ at face value. However, if you are a faithful well-informed Mormon who espouses the teachings of your church, then I have to say that the one you worship is not the same as the one eternal true God revealed in Scripture: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

        • apch50 says:

          Hi azsorensenm,

          It is evident from your persistance of your love for Jesus Christ that you would be a very fine Christian indeed. I would welcome you to a Christian church where you could discuss with other loving Christians their thoughts. The Bible stands alone. It took over 1600 years to write with 40 different authors. It is stable and is the foundation of the Christian faith. That is why I invite you to discard all other writings, come on in to a Christian (Bible based) church and see for yourself.

          I don’t know your heart except from what I hear. I welcome you to test your hard fought faith. Yes, the one and only God loves us and wants a personal relationship with us. May the Grace and Mercy of our Lord be with us all. Lovingly and Respectfully.
          John

        • Dennis1954 says:

          According to Mormonism, both of Christ’s churches ended in utter failure (total apostasy). Jesus was not able to keep his church going and this is why Joseph Smith was called to restore the true church again upon this earth (Pearl of Great Price – Joseph Smith History 1:19). This is also why Joseph boasted that he did a greater work than even Jesus did (History of the Church Vol. 6, pp. 408-409). By these teachings, the Mormon Church denies Jesus’ biblical role as healer / redeemer and makes him into a killer / destroyer / liar.

          More of their non-biblical beliefs: Mormonism teaches that man can become a god and that there are different levels of “heavens.” They believe spirit babies can be born in a heaven.

          The Book of Mormon claims Jews migrated from the Middle East to Central and South America and established great civilizations in North America and South America. They allegedly built large cities, and by 322 A.D. “The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings and the people were as numerous almost as it were the sand of the sea.” (Mormon 1:7) Thirty-eight cities are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The BOM describes a battle between the Nephite and Lamenite people in which 230,000 Nephites were killed near the hills of Cumorah in New York.

          If this is all true, there should be numerous archaeological evidence, but there isn’t any such thing to corroborate the Book of Mormon. Even archaeological expeditions financed by the Mormon Church came up empty. The Book of Mormon is pure fiction.

          Dr. Hugh Nibley, a Mormon, wrote in his book “Since Cumorah” that there is no archaeological proof for the Nephite civilization. “All that we have to go on to date is a written history . . . there is nothing whatever that an anthropologist or archaeologist as such can say about the Book of Mormon.”

          Dee Green, professor of anthropology at Weber State University and a respected Mormon scholar states, “The first myth we must eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists . . . no Book of Mormon location is known with reference to modern topography. Biblical archaeology can be studied because we do know where Jerusalem and Jericho were and are, but we do not know where Zarahemla and Bountiful (nor any other location for that matter) were or are. It would seem that a concentration on geography should be the first order of business, but . . . years of such an approach has left us empty-handed.”

          Noted Mormon scholar B.H. Roberts concluded after years of research that the Book of Mormon is a fictional work created by Joseph Smith. “The evidence I sorrowfully submit, points to Joseph Smith as their creator. It is difficult to believe that they are the product of history, that they come upon the scene separated by long periods of time, and among a race which was the ancestral race of the red man of America.”

          Thomas Ferguson was president of the New World Archaeological Foundation, which was funded by Bringham Young University and the Mormon Church. He looked for archaeological support for the Book of Mormon, but in 1962 he said, “Powerful evidences sustaining the book are accumulating.” However, after years of research and many fruitless expeditions, his original hopes were shattered. He eventually wrote,

          “With all these great efforts, it cannot be established factually that anyone, from Joseph smith to the present day, has put his finger on a single point of terrain that was a Book of Mormon geographical place. And the hemisphere has been pretty well checked out by competent people I must agree with Dee Green, who has told us that to date there is no Book of Mormon geography. I, for one, would be happy if Dee were wrong.”

          A final point for now: the Book of Mormon claims to have been written in Reformed Egyptian, but Egyptologists say this language does not exist.

          [Much of this info courtesy of Patrick Zukeran, of Probe Ministries]

  12. gdbenbow says:

    I am a Christian, and yes, I believe, according to the Holy Bible, Mormonism is a cult. The problem arises from the ignorance of its members (Hosea 4:6-7). They are deceived, and you know who’s behind deception. Many don’t realize they are not Christian because they don’t correctly understand the foundation of their belief system and what it’s really all about (John 1:5). I wish their members would learn the real difference between Mormonism and Christianity. I wish more Christians would learn about Islam and what it stands for as well. Then maybe this country could do something spiritually correct for a change and get delivered from this mess we find ourselves in today.

    • bjwindy37 says:

      Hang in there Brother. We will be delivered and soon. Jesus Christ IS coming back and very soon. Bible Prophecy is being fulfilled all around the world. Time is getting very short. We don’t know the day or hour but He will be here probably before we are ready if we don’t start Studying the Bible Diligently and calling on Him to help us.

  13. Hal_C says:

    In Galatians 1:8 it says: “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!” What does the book of Mormon say about itself? That it is “Another testimony of Jesus Christ.”
    How did Joseph Smith say Mormonism was revealed to him? By an angel called Moroni who directed him to gold plates on which was written a book. A book which no one but Joseph Smith ever saw, and only a few were permitted to feel under wrappings! Then these gold plates were taken up into heaven. Joseph later bought an Egyptian papyrus from a travelling sideshow which he claimed to translate. Modern translations of this have proved it to be a false translation. Joseph Smith was a Freemason who adopted many of the rituals of Freemasonry to fit his new religion. The Mormon “Sign of the nail”, the “sure sign of the nail”, all stolen from the Masons. In fact, Joseph referred to Mormonism as “Celestial Masonry”.
    There are many prophecies Joseph Smith made which did not come true. According to God’s perfect standard in Deuteronomy 18:22 any prophet who speaks a word in God’s name that does not come true is a false prophet. Therefore Joseph Smith is a false prophet. How can a false prophet start a true church?

  14. Neuroman2 says:

    The question we ask our Mormon friends is: If you are Christians, why do you not engage the Christian community? The Mormons will not attend a church other than a Mormon Ward. We can attend a Methodist, Catholic, Baptist, Episcopal, Presbyterian, etc. The Mormons will not attend a Billy Graham event or a Promise Keepers, Joyce Meyer or a Christian Concert. Why? The truth will set you free!

    One other point. Where in the Bible does it say you have to be a Mormon to go the Heaven? For that matter, a Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, etc. God established His Church not a denomination. Mormons believe the male picks his spouse in Heaven. The Bible clearly tells us we are not married in Heaven.

    Are some Mormons Christian? Absolutely. We know of many that have left the Mormon Church and they are abandoned by their Mormon family members.

    We lived in Murry, Utah for ten years. Murray is a suburb of Salt Lake City. If you are NOT a Mormon you are shunned and discriminated against being a Christian. The Mormons do not celebrate Easter or Christmas. For Easter the Mormon Navy goes to Lake Powell. The children in our neighborhood were not allowed to play with our kids. The children in the neighborhood told us they only utilize the King James Bible when Non Mormons are present. Kids do not lie. The Mormons utilize The Book of Mormon which is totally contradictory to the Holy Bible. There is nothing new under the Son. God did not create a new Bible just for the Mormons.

    Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

    Folks, we are in the Final Days. We should expect false prophets and evil. Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. Satan is a fallen angel so he knows the Bible. Romans 1:18-25.

    18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    Prof Domman

    • Aryion says:

      I am at a loss for words and am very appalled at what l am reading…um yes I am a morman a jack morman and, for those of you who aren’t up to date with the terminology jack, it means I have been baptized morman but, either am not attending regularly or have fallen away from for whatever reason. I absolutely have an open mind and heart and have been to many different churches… Searching for the truth as I was today that for whatever reason led me here. I can say proudly I love the church of latter day saints! Thanks to this site, answered my question and journey of faith on where I belonged and what religion means and is to me. I have zero doubts. The thing that stuck out so strongly for me is how all are so quick to slander the unknown and slander is by far under stating what has been said… This just makes me smile to know my faith has led me astray only to come full circle. I am grateful to have been able to learn about all I have about all the christian fellowships and the way each believes differently or more strongly in certain areas of belief. But, lesson here is everyone no matter what where or how each and everyone hears what’s being said its how you interpret what is being said… So if that says anything to you at all the message should read LOVE… Love , LOVE. We can all agree that as christians it is the most powerful and spiritual command of all. As for my new found answers I am proud to say after the horrible things said about mormonism I can’t wait to join them sunday… And one more thing I learned in this journey is to stay positive and open to all bc you just never know. <3<3<3

  15. ogdog says:

    I do not believe that Mormonisim should be classified as a cult, However I do not believe it is a valid Christian denomination. Read Maze of Mormonisim by Walter Martin and Mormonisim: Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner for an eye-opening revelation on the history and beliefs of the Mormon church. Joseph Smith’s family was greatly disliked by their neighbors because of Smith’s practice as a “Peeper” He would put a rock in his hat, hold the hat up to his face, and claim to be able find buried treasure that way. He claimed to have discovered some golden plates that revealed the history of the first inhabitants of the area where the Smiths lived in New York. Many of the teachings of the early Mormons were heretical and unbelievable. For example: One of the early church leaders taught that Adam with some of his wives helped create the world . the more you read from these books, the more you realize that Mormonism is not a valid religion.

  16. Naomi R Pino says:

    I would like to concur that Mormonism is a cult. Lest someone think they are an unrepressive cult, without a violent agenda. Let me state the following: While working as a missionary in a certain country, one of their
    head leaders came to that country for the purpose of re-enforcing the Mormon doctrine. While there, he came in contact with a converted Mormon & was gloriously saved. When the mother Mormon church, stateside heard of this, they came after him. He was so concerned for his safety, that he went into hiding for several months.
    I am not aware of the final outcome. If one really studies the background of Mormonism, besides everything else that has been said, Joseph Smith was an illiterate man, who through hearsay, took the Bible totally out of context, i.e. stating he had found the “magical glasses” which God had given him out in the woodsfor revelation purposes, called the “Urim & Thummin.” We know from the Bible, The Urim & thummin was the Isaelites way of casting lots for election purposes, such as the electing of the 12th disciple to replace Judas.
    Much has already been stated to certify that Mormonism is a cult.
    I have had people argue with me that there are Christians within the Mormon church, who really love God.
    My answer to that is, once you have come to the light, how can you have fellowship with darkness? If Jesus really does reveal Himself to them and they really do experience salvation, then He would certainly lead them
    away from a Cultic belief such as Mormonism which is totally contrary to the Christian beliefs.

  17. santec says:

    Questions; After reading I fail to see any areas of the following, Smith was a con artest, couldn`t get a bank no, he built a false b ottom chest telling his sheep to put all money in and when needed could use. well this cost him his life. Young saw the people comming aftr him and he split to Utah territory, and for three years tried to get poligomy in the state charter and each was rejected so he called all the people from around the west to sell and buy all the ammo and come to S.L.C. to fight the U.S. Army. Woke up and saw cannons looking down and he ran out leaving them holding the bag.
    Now we need to look at the Northwest Ordenance it is the document that allows territories to become states and has very specific points and if not followed no state hood. I suggest you read and see why all this happened. Last the first three rules of mormonism are the same as the masons. Also find a copy of the MORMON MURDERS AND READ it is a true story of GREED HATRED DECIET MURDER AND LIERS CHEATS AND THIEVES. THIS IS ABOUT THE MORMON CULT. Last look up what is done to those who try to leave it showing what they are.

  18. Melchiz says:

    Can I ask all Christians reading these comments to please pray that at least one Mormon will take up these challenges and – as Jude was inspired to write (v22-25): ‘… on some have mercy, who are in doubt; and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now unto him that is able to guard you from stumbling, and to set you before the presence of his glory without blemish in exceeding joy, to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen.

  19. Hal_C says:

    Many valid points being stated here. Mormons will let people investigating their religion attend one of their services ( but will be asked to step outside for the “secret” rituals. They WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE accept an invitation to attend your church. They will use verses taken out of context from the Bible to try and convince you that they are the “true” church and will reject any verses that contradict Mormonism under the guise that the Bible has been “corrupted” and is not reliable, though they cannot explain when or how the Bible became corrupted, nor can they explain how Joseph Smith did not receive a “corrected”bible, since he was given the task of “restoring” the gospel. Ultimately Mormons do not believe that Salvation is based on faith in Jesus Christ, the only Son of God and in Him aline, but in a God who was once a man and that by following a set of man-made rituals they will be saved from eternal damnation and eventually become gods themselves. In short, Moemonism, in both the LDS form and the many offshoots that still practice polygamy and those who follow their own “prophet” are a cult founded by a false prophet, Joseph Smith.

  20. Chalkbrd says:

    To the Mormons who might read this, please understand that we know you hold Jesus Christ in high esteem. What we say, though, is that the Jesus Christ you believe in might have the same name as the Jesus Christ in mainstream Christianity, but he is not the same. When you look at the terms themselves, Mormons appear to be saying the same thing as Christianity, or at least something that is compatible, but when you compare what those terms actually mean, you see a huge discrepancy. In other words, when we strip away the terms and deal with what the terms mean, that’s when we can see that the two beliefs are diametrically opposed.

    • azsorensenm says:

      Dear Chalkbrd,

      I take issue with the statement, “that’s when we can see that the two beliefs are diametrically opposed.” Diametic is defined in the dictionary this way, “in direct opposition; being at opposite extremes. Christianity as taught in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not the opposite extreme of what you believe to be Christianity. I assure you we worship the same Jesus Christ. Hopefully we both try to follow Him by doing the things He asked us to do.

      Too many of those who have commented in this string of comments have cited references (books on Mormonism) that are written by people who have a personal “axe to grind.” All of you who profess to be Christians and think that “Mormons” are not Christian need to actually study our doctrine. Not the stuff written in books we don’t accept as scripture. How accurate would I be, if I defined your beliefs by using the books that your enemies have written about Christianity.

      Anyone can attend our Sunday worship services. I have attended many other denominations. We do not do any secret rituals in our churches. What you are referring to is work that goes on inside or our temples. Temples are sacred and holy places. Not all mormons can go inside the temples after they are dedicated. Only those who are living a life congruent with the Savior’s teachings.

      Not everyone could go inside the temple in Jerusalem. Not everyone could go in the tabernacle that the Israelites carried in the wildnerness.

      SO MANY OF THE COMMENTS MADE ABOVE BY THOSE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS ARE JUST PLAIN FALSE AND INACCURATE. I know what we teach in our churches. I attend them regularly. Jesus Christ is the central figure in our church. It is Him that we worship. We do our best to live the commandments that Jesus taught and are recorded in the New Testament. We love the Holy Bible and we study it and feast on its words.

      So many of you remind me of the Pharisees who told Christ he was blasphemous. There, the Son of God was in their midst and they didn’t recognize Him. They claimed that only they knew what God wanted, only they understood the scriptures. They told Christ what God had written and what God meant by what He had written. They presumed to teach the truth and claimed that Jesus was a false prophet. It must have been comical in some ways for Jesus to see these supposed experts schooling Him about the very scriptures He had inspired.

      “Mormons” don’t condemn any of you who think you are the only Christians on the planet. Why do you insist on condemning us? We love all of God’s children we will gladly serve any of you who has a need. The God we worship taught us to love all men. He told us to judge not that we be not judged.

      • Neuroman2 says:

        Dear azsorensenm,

        If Mormons are indeed Christians, why do you NOT participate in mainstream Christianity? Why do the Mormons not attend any other Christian denomination for worship service? Why do you NOT participate in papa church organizations such as Youth For Christ, Promise Keepers,

        Please indicated the Bible verse (NIV, NKKJ, ASV, NAS, NLT) that only Mormons will enter Heaven. If that is the case, every one on this site will convert today!!

        Also, what is the Mormon perspective of the Trinity? We believe the Holy Spirit, Father and Son are one person. Prof Domman

      • apch50 says:

        If you have truly accepted Jesus Christ as your savior and abide in Him, you will know the truth because you will be indwelt by the Holy Spirit who will change you and make you a new creature. This is true and that is why we don’t condemn you. We love you as God’s children, but abhor your misdirection and teachings. Loving and believing in Jesus is not a job, ritual, or work to be done, but a gift of Grace from God. We welcome you to come to our church and hear the truth, but it sounds to me from reading your strong belief’s that your heart has been hardened. All of the Christians above who you say are condeming you are full of love for you trying to help you to understand that Jesus really loves you and that you are misdirected. If you won’t hear any of the Biblical reasoning above, then you are stuck in a misdirected and yes cult of false faith. I will pray for you azsorensenm. May blessings of our Lord Jesus be laid on your soul.
        John

  21. Paul Newsham says:

    The Apostle Paul told the church at Galatia, if anyone come with another gospel, even an angel let him (MORONI) be accursed. Accursed, eternal destruction. Consider what has happened in the years of 1820 – 1880, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell and Mary Baker Eddy, as examples, set out to establish a self satisfying religion. Enter more recent time, Sun Myung Moon, L. Ron Hubbard, and Jim Jones. Search for the Truth, Christianity has more than 4000 years of historical base, “in the begining God”. The jesus of Mormanism is not Jesus of “in the beginning God”. Elohim, God in the original language.

  22. kitkat says:

    Many good comments have been made above, though I do not agree with all of them. Please read Galatians 1:8 again. “But even if we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” Verse 9 repeats that. Also, Jude 1:3 says to “…contend earnestly for the faith which was once and for all delivered to the saints.” There are no new truths being revealed to us. God gave us his plan of salvation in the the New Testament, and that is all we need to get us to heaven. Deuteronomy 4:2, “Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.”
    Joseph Smith gave a completely false translation of the Egyptian writing. He took one word & got several sentences. Later this was proven to be totally inaccurate. I think this was after he had written the Book of Mormon, which incidentally has many grammatical errors & contradictions. Azs. I hope this makes you mad, mad enough to investigate the charges against this false prophet and mad enough to keep reading your Bible to learn the Word of God. You seem to be a very sincere person who has been misled.

  23. Hal_C says:

    You claim LDS, aka “Mormons” , worship the same Christ other Christians do? Your former President, Gordon B. Hinkley, said you do not. Was he in error?
    The LDS Church News reported: “In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness [sic] of Times’” – June 20, 1998.
    Read it all at the link below:

    http://www.watchman.org/lds/gbhjesus.htm

  24. Hal_C says:

    Mormons claim that the Gospel was lost and only restored by Joseph Smith. This makes Jesus a liar, for He said “Heaven and Earth shall pass away but my words will never pass away.” Many Mormons are not aware that Joseph originally told several different stories of his “vision” until he settled on the final version.

    http://mormonthink.com/firstvisionweb.htm

  25. azsorensenm says:

    I have a question for all of you who consider yourselves Christians, but who consider Mormonism a cult. What will he the final condition of a Mormon who remains true and faithful to his or her beliefs? I am really interested to know what you think will happen to good and faithful “Mormons” who spend their whole lives in following Jesus Christ according to their beliefs? Please respond.

    • Josephine says:

      Mormonism gave me a good start. It also gave me a ceding that is not in the Biblical writings. My Mormon parents both have died and I think they are astounded at what they missed-out on by staying Mormons for so long. Most religions are like this, and Mormonism is not an exception.

      As for Romney for Pres. Didn’t he destroy the economy of a whole state with Obama-care-type health-care reform, even before Obama did the same stupid stuff? And who is advising Obama that they did not study what has and hasn’t worked before? Maybe the same people who Romney listens to?

      Let’s go with the Constitution Party and get rid of a bunch of Constitutional Amendments, or even go with Libertarians but stop abortions after the fetus is really human–having human blood in it (except for the health of the mother), and have a vote-off for the executive position that requires over 50% of the votes for one to be elected. And Executive Orders are NOT constitutional.

      Libertarians, everyone who I have gotten to try magnesium instead of medical marijuana is much happier and healthier and more comfortable on the magnesium. Wake Up, Doctors!!!!!

    • graciegirl says:

      Hi azsorensenm, I just finished reading this whole thread and became a user. your “please respond” touched my heart. I wish I had a definate answer for you. No one is in a position to judge the heart of another, one thing is definate- God is just. Truth and salvation are tightly intertwined. Jesus is the truth, and for this reason He was born and for this reason He came into the world to testify to the truth. If you believe he was created and not the creator that is not the true Jesus. In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The Word is truth, the Bible has thousands of original handwritten manuscripts still in existance, all the various versions/translations (NIV, KJ, NKJ amer. standard, NCV so many more) take either the original manuscript and translate the language either word for word, phrase for phrase, and since there are many synonyms for words they differ. One can’t say it wasn’t translated incorrectly, because we still have thousands of the original hand written manuscripts, if you wanted to double check. There are some translations from a translation, but the integrity of the meaning is still the same. That being said, the Bible is living, God breathed, perfect truth. God spoke the world into existence, I’m sure He kept His Word in tact, because the Word is God. What I don’t understand is why we need another gospel? What is the Bible lacking? There is no one true church, the church, defined biblically, is the body of believers in Christ, and he is the head. One this rock I will build my church and not even the gates of hell will prevail against it. That’s what He said. Even if some individual churches were corrupt, just like their was always a faithful remnant with the Israelites, their is always a faithful remnant of His church. God is not eternally progressing, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. That is said in the word about both God and Christ. Jesus took on the form a man to fulfill the law and complete the plan of salvation. When he said that it is finished, there is no further sacrifice needed. I was dark for three hours at the crucifixtion, which can be verified by other period historical accounts, but the BOM (the most correct book on earth) says 3 days. (Helaman 14) The Old testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. You haven’t answered any of the tough questions posed to you. Was God a man? Did he have intercourse with Mary? Many of the comments were not sighting disgruntled ex-mormons they were mostly Brigham Young and Joseph Smith, and if the things they are quoted as saying are not true, they would be false prophets. Jesus said in the synoptic gospels that we would not be married or given in marriage in heaven, when asked, “Who will be her husband”, because her husband died and then she married the brother , he died etc. etc. So the doctrine taught in the mormon church that you are married forever is false. And if “God” has many wives, and that’s how it’s done, would you want to share your husband with others? And the Family is Forever slogan confuses me, if mom and dad make it to the celestial kingdom but the kids don’t, how will they be together forever? It wasn’t only the former president of the Mormon church who said their Jesus is different than the “traditional” Christian Jesus, as stated in this thread. We are not all children of God, we BECOME children of God when we believe in Christ as our Savior. Jesus is the only son of God and he took the form of a man, but he is the creator of all things. I know the word believe doesn’t seem like much to have to do, to receive eternal life, and avoid eternal separation from God. But the English language does not have a verb form of the word faith, as the Greek language does, so believe is the best word we have. But it means to put your faith in Him for your salvation, that means total trust, complete reliance. Salvation is a free gift, but rewards in heaven are earned by works. Two differnent things. I recently was told by a mormon that everyone will have a place in the heavenly kingdom. No, you are either saved or not. I am in no place to judge who is saved and who is not. Do you know how many atheists there are? They mock the very idea of God. They are so harsh in there words about Him. Why would God force them to spend eternity in His presense, in His kingdom. Have you accepted Jesus, who is God in the flesh, (only God can reconcile us to Himself) The way the Truth and the life. Truth is absolute, I know mormons don’t lean toward relativism like the increasingly prominant New Age movenment. The law of non contridiction proves. Jesus is the creator and is not created, he told us that in his word. therefore using the law of non-contradiction if that is true the opposite can not be true. People can believe in Jesus, and at the same time not believe what he says. One last thing, the arrogance of Joseph Smith. He is quoted as saying from History of the church vol 6. p.408-409 …I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together…Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.” wow, that last line! God hates pride. just read Isaiah if you aren’t sure. I’ve had mormons compare the death of J.S. to that of Christ. That hurts my heart as a follower of Christ. Joseph Smith did not die a martyrs death as potrayed in videos at temples, while in jail for destroying a printing press, he took the smuggled gun from brother Wheelock, and in a last ditch effort to save his own skin he fired into the mob and he killed two people before he was killed. In Jesus’s last hour he was the Lamb of God, willingly suffered for our sins, offered salvation to the humble hearted theif, and while being mocked and spit upon, He said, Father forgive them for they know not what they do. In Joseph’s Smith’s last hour he tried to save himself, and committed murder. There is no comparing the two. If you ask the 4 most common questions of Philosophy to both Christianity and Mormonism there are stark differences. The 4 most common questions a philosopher will ask pertain to origin, meaning, morality, and destiny. Christianity is the only way to answer these questions with total cohesiveness. 1)Origin. Where did I come from?-we are created in the image of God, which gives us intrinsic worth. 2)meaning. What is the meaning of life?- we are created by Him and for Him, to use our gifts and talents for His glory. 3)Morality. How do I tell right from wrong? He wrote His laws on our hearts and they are absolute. 4) Destiny. Where do I go when I die?-those in Christ will never die but be passed from death unto life.
      Now take those same questions from a mormon view. 1)where id I come from? there was a preexistence, it’s quite complicated 2)What is the meaning of life? To be a good enough mormon and try to achieve the highest heaven, the celestial kingdom. 3)Christians & Mormons agree on morality. 4)Where do I go when I die? I don’t know, I hope the highest heaven. there is no cohesiveness here as with Christianity. I would focus on truth, Jesus spoke of it 72 times in the New testament, see how it closely ties to salvation. You can sincerely believe whatever doctrine you want, but sincere belief does not make it true. I pray the Spirit of Truth will guide you to the only Truth.

  26. Wendys says:

    Hi, I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I’m not here to discuss theology; we could (obviously) discuss that all day and never get anywhere. And yes, I am a bit hurt that Truth in Action has decided to use itself to kindly bash a religion: kind b/c they do say Mormons are upstanding people (thank you), and bash, because all links go on to say why the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS is wrong and, let’s just say it, peculiar. That is one (of many) reasons I like the LDS church; you would be very hard pressed to find any of its leaders saying anything negative about another religion. We have been taught to profess what we believe and leave it up to the listener to decide what they believe. Most members don’t and shouldn’t try to explain what is wrong with other denominations, even if you used to belong to the other denomination. Sorry, though it wasn’t theology, I did just have a little rant. Forgive me. What I am very curious about, If you (all readers) are Republican and if Mitt Romney is the nominee, will you, can you vote for a perhaps moderate, but economically strong candidate that happens to be a Mormon? Or would you rather have Obama for another four years?

  27. Hal_C says:

    Azsorensenm, I am speaking from my own personal experiences attending a LDS church and having invited Mormons to attend services at the church I attend.
    Jesus warned of false prophets in Matthew 7:14: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    As Christians we are to try or test every spirit, as it says in 1 John, 4:1-3: (1) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (2) Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (3) And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
    How did Joseph Smith test the spirits that he said appeared before him? I would be very leery of a spirit claiming to be God the Father since the Bible says that God is a spirit (John 4:24) and that no man has seen God (John 1:18) and furthermore, by God’s own word, no man can see God and live (Exodus 33:20).

  28. Hal_C says:

    God gives us a standard so that we can test a prophet in Deuteronomy 18:22 – If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
    Now we compare some of Joseph Smith’s prophecies against God’s standard and see how he measures up:
    http://carm.org/false-prophecies-of-joseph-smith

  29. Josephine says:

    JOHNAMAN, Matt 5:48 is about being “therefore” perfect as is the Father. Therefore means that it refers to what went before and follows it. What went before is about loving our enemies. As a friend recently taught me, instead of being offended, let’s be involved with solution-finding, or at least with caring.
    And Mormonism taught me that real sexual intercourse goes on just as described in this treatise. And also that people are on the path to being just like The Creator, who also took this type of path.
    Hal_C has it right, too. I once looked at some of the original documents in Salt Lake City, UT. What cinched it for me was Hebrews, in the Bible: We have one great High Priest who lives in the heavenlies. Mormons have hundreds of High Priests.

  30. fproy2222 says:

    ( Since then he [Texas pastor Robert Jeffress] has been accused of bigotry)

    Do you agree with him about ALL the churches he calls cults? Jeffress has a very long list.

    fred

    • John Aman says:

      We are addressing the issue of Mormonism only. While we are unfamiliar with what you call Dr. Jeffress’ “very long list,” we certainly concur with the list of cults defined and explained in the leading evangelical reference work on cults, The Kingdom of the Cults, by Dr. Walter Martin, originally published in 1965 and most recently updated, to my knowledge in 2003. The 19th century saw the creation of numerous cults, among them Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and the Mormon Church. These and others are addressed in The Kingdom of the Cults. For further information about how Truth in Action Ministries has addressed these cults, you may wish to do a media search on our site to find prior episodes of the Truth That Transforms radio program addresses Mormonism, etc. — Kind regards in Christ.

  31. Hal_C says:

    Dear azsorensenm: What we may think as individuals is of little importance. What really matters is what does God think? Forrunately, we have the words of Jesus in Matthew 22:1-14, the parable Christ gave of a king who gives a wedding feast. Please pay special attention to verse 11: “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. 13 Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
    The Hebrew tradition was for the host to provide wedding guests with a garment. It would have been considered very offensive to refuse the host’s gift and bring your own. Mormons have their special garment they wear when they are baptized. They want to take their own garment to God’s feast.
    Where we get in trouble is when we follow our beliefs instead of God’s commands. I find it interesting that noone has responded to my comments as to why Joseph Smith’s vision of God is wrong. Instead they attack the links instead of addressing the issues that are raised. If you don’t like the message, simply kill the messenger.
    Remember that Lucifer can disguise himself as an angel of light and appear as gentle as a lamb.
    I ask you again: does Joseph Smith pass God’s standard for a prophet as the Bible states in Deuteronomy 18:22, or was he a false prophet?

  32. Hal_C says:

    A little food for thought:
    The names of angels who were not led astray by Lucifer’s lies always end in “el”, signifying that they belong to God –
    Gabri-el
    Micha-el
    Uri-el
    Azri-el
    Rapha-el
    Etc.

    Only demons have names not ending in “el” because they do not follow God.
    So, “Moroni”?
    Moron, I, to believe such a lie!

  33. azsorensenm says:

    Dear Hal_C,

    It appears that you have made your life’s mission to help God’s children stay away for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I’m sure your heart is good.

    So much of what you have ascribed to Mormons is twisted at best. It’s easy for me to see through what you are writing because I have been a “Mormon” for so long and have been an active participant. I have gone to our worship services and have studied things for myself.

    Mormons don’t condemn you or any other Christian denominations. Our leaders are very respectful of other churches and religions.

    As you know our church membership continues to grow. And the people that belong to the “Mormon” faith are basically good, honest and decent people. A high percentage of the members are educated and have distinguished themselves in their careers. We place great emphasis on being responsible, honest contributors to our communities. Mormons love America and the Constitution. We believe that God preserved America to be the beacon on the hill that it has been for many years.

    It just seems so silly to me that you think that there is anything dark or evil in or about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I haven’t seen it or experienced it in all my years in the Church. In one of your postings you quoted from 1 John, 4:1-3: (1) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (2) Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (3) And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

    EVERYTHING about “Mormonism” confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Also, that scripture does not say there won’t be prophets; it just tells us to be wary of false prophets. You think Joseph Smith was a false prophet. I believe with all of my heart that he was a true prophet, called of God to do a great work. You quote sources that are filled with untruths and half-truths about Mormons and Mormonism.

    Our church is organized after the manner of Christ’s church. We have a quorum of twelve apostles. These men don’t apply for the job. They are called to the position just as Christ called his apostles. One of our current apostles was formerly a Justice on the Utah Supreme Court. He “straightway” resigned and accepted the call to be an apostle. Another one of the apostles was a successful and well-respected heart surgeon and he too walked away to serve Jesus Christ as one of His apostles. All of the apostles come from various backgrounds just as the apostles from Christ’s time on the earth. Again, you cannot become an apostle by applying for the job. It doesn’t work that way. These men are called through inspiration and revelation. Again, our church is organized after the manner of Christ’s church, the organization that He established when He was on the earth.

    Our church teaches that salvation comes only in and through the blood of Christ. We acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Savior and Redeemer of the world. We invite all to come unto Christ. We preach of Christ. That is the message of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints.

    I love Jesus Christ with all of my heart. I am doing the very best I know how to follow in His footsteps, to love as He loved, and to care for those around me.

    I cherish the Bible. I love to read it. In our church we use the King James version of the Holy Bible.

    Again, I quote Jesus Christ as recorded in the New Testament:

    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    I know in my heart, as the result of reading and studying the Book of Mormon, another Testament of Christ, and the Holy Bible that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind and that it is only through the blood of Christ that any of us can be saved.

    I wish every Christian everywhere the very best. I respect you and I appreciate your love of Jesus Christ.

  34. RQuance says:

    I have to remind those that are blinded to the facts of Mormonism. One of my Great Uncles was one of the instigators of the original joke that turned out to develop into the Mormon cult. My Great Uncle was a good friend of the original pranksters that wanted to see how gullible people were so they hatched this elaborate joke to see how many people would believe it. Suffice it to say that after so many people fell for the joke he felt bad about it and stopped being friends with the perpetrators of this terrible joke but they still kept it going since they saw they could make money off of the gullible people they tricked. My Great Uncle tried to expose the joke but so many people believed it now it just made him look like he was the prankster instead of the real pranksters. Bottom line of the whole joke was to prove that if you say a lie long enough people will believe it and thus you have the Mormon Cult. We still see this kind of prank being played on people daily by our Federal Government.

    • fproy2222 says:

      (Bottom line of the whole joke was to prove that if you say a lie long enough people will believe it)

      Some people have told lies about what we teach and believe. They then use thier lies to prove our teachings and beliefs are wrong.

      Other people reteach the lies, believing them to be true.

      fred

  35. JWC says:

    Mormonism is truly a Cult, and that’s all there is to it.

  36. mlwatson71 says:

    oh for christians today to have the same tact and respect that Dr. Kennedy had. Calling Mormonism a ‘cult’ is only going to get people riled up. We should be sharing the gospel, and letting the Holy Spirit do His job. Show love to one another… name calling is not loving.

    • Charlie says:

      Hi mlwatson71
      My brothers and sisters are not wrong for their name calling as you suggest. It is time to stand up and call it like it is and stop tip-toeing through the tulips. I suggest you read your Bible and get a grip to what it really says. There was no one that showed more love than Jesus and He called Herod a fox and the scribes and Pharisees hipocrites, serpents, and brood of vipers.

      There are times when people need to be riled up so they can see the truth. Before you plant a crop the feild needs to be plowed. These Mormons need to see who Jesus really is instead of this false Christ that Joseph Smith has lead them to believe. If they can’t see who Jesus really is how then can they be saved? Since you are concerned with the people being riled up look at what the Bible says after Peter tells it like it was to the men of Israel in Acts 2:37
      37. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
      It was when Peter stood up and told the truth that lead 3,000 souls to the Lord.
      Paul had riled the people when he commanded a spirit of divination in the name of Jesus to come out of a slave girl which got him thrown into prison and through this the prison keeper and his family gave their hearts to God.

      No sir, Mormonism is a cult. They need to be told that and why so that they can see the truth to give their hearts to God instead of Joseph Smith and to expose the lies he has told them. To even call them a cult for what Mormonism is, is to put a warning sign up to the victums they would deceive.

      Love is to take action. like a building on fire you would say what was needed to save the people in the building. Would you really be concerned to call out that the building is on fire because you didn’t want to get people all riled up? If the building is on fire you say the building”s on fire and since Mormonism is a cult you say it for what it is a cult. To stand by and say nothing or water it down so that you won’t offend anyone shows a lack of compassion and no love for the lost.

  37. cp1 says:

    I’m a little amused by all this talk about name calling. Jesus called the enemies of the true faith, liars, white washed tombs, snakes, sons of the Devil, hypocrites, and all manner of politically incorrect stuff. Now, descriptive names just for the sake of enraging and insulting others would certainly be wrong. But, there is a time to call something what it is.

    In the early 1900s one of my Dad’s relatives was the governor of Utah, so our family has deep roots in the Mormon Church. Azsorensenm’s comments are typical of what comes out of the LDS cult. They won’t answer the tough questions. Was God the Father once a man? Did he have sex with Mary to produce Jesus? Just answer, “Yes” or “no.” How tough can that be? Will any non LDS people go to heaven? And I’m not including their loophole of baptism for the dead. Azsorensenm is declaring the “truth” while being offended by it. You can’t have it both ways. When you throw a stick into a chicken coop – the chicken that cackles the loudest is the one that got hit by the stick. The fact that the details of Joseph Smith’s cult are being exposed is giving these people a fit.

    When Mit Romney ran against Ted Kennedy in 1994 for his senate seat the same issues were raised by the Left and the media gave Kennedy a pass. Only conservative, Bible believing Christians will be attacked this time. Every President since Washington has claimed to be a Christian. It’s probably clear to most of us who know what a real Christian is that many – if not most – of the Commanders in Chief were cultural Christians, not born again blood washed children of God.

    Joseph Smith – the LDS founder – claimed that an angel appeared to him and gave him the information that later became the book of Mormon. Paul addresses this in Galatians 1:8. “But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.”

    So, Mormons having gotten their story from “an angel” are not only mistaken – they are accursed.
    Perhaps it is true that politicians who are now affirming that Mormonism is truly Christian are simply ignorant of the LDS facts. For a helpful understanding of Smith and the origins of the LDS, Wikipedia does a pretty good job. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr. Now, the main job of true Christians is not to educate people as to the intricacies of all the cults. However this issue is front and center today and a cult member is running for President.

  38. Neuroman2 says:

    Let us also examine the Christian Science cult. I was engaged to marry a wonderful, Godly woman. Kimmie was diagnosed with Stage 4 breast, bone, lung, liver and brain cancer. A very liberal Hospice Chaplin at Hospice Austin, led Kimmie to the Christian Science cult for healing. The Christian Science folks told her she would be healed. We are only healed by the stripes of Jesus Christ and the blood that was shed for us.

    Kimmie tragically died two months later. Kimmie was led down the wide road that leads to destruction. We pray God had mercy on her for being led down the wrong path.

    As I commented prior, a cult is anything PLUS Jesus or anything PLUS the Bible. The Christian Science and Mormons add to and subtract from Jesus and the Bible.

    Many Mormons have commented on this posting “we are good, honest, sincere people.” All of the cults are based on “works.” We cannot do enough to gain entrance to Heaven. Jesus gave it all. How much is enough? Jesus is the litmus test. Prof Domman

    • fproy2222 says:

      From your comment you have accepted what the antiMormons say we believe.

      Please take the time to study what we really believe and teach before reteaching the antiMormon lies.

      fred

  39. fproy2222 says:

    I have found that one of the biggest reasons ‘christions’ call others a cult is if someone does not believe the men at Nicene had athority from God to add man made definitions to God’s word. Definitions that take away from the teachings of Heavenly Father.

    fred

  40. dalabama says:

    azsorensenm, I just went to the Mormon website, to which you gave a link, and read section 132 of the Mormon doctrine. This section addresses the issue of marriage, polygamy (which Joseph Smith said he was COMMANDED to engage in), becoming an angel and becoming a “god”, among other things.

    As good as so many things in Mormonism sound, we must ALL ask, as many have done in the posts above, does whatever it is that we believe add or subtract from the truth of the gospel of Christ that He Himself proclaimed and fulfilled?

    So sadly, many people in many “churches” have been and are being misled by others in many ways for all kinds of reasons.

    It is crystal clear to me as a Christian who follows Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible that the entire section 132 is full of heresy. It is clear because I am a Christian and God’s Holy Spirit makes lies clear to true believers.

    I pray that The Lord God Almighty will grant you eyes to see His truth. I know many folks who have come to a true saving knowledge of Christ from many backgrounds-including Mormonism. I implore you to study your Bible and ask God to reveal His truth to you as well as asking Him to make obvious to you the heresy in the book of mormon. NOTHING is too great for the ONE TRUE GOD!

    The bottom line is that we are all in desperate need of His saving grace-which comes through Jesus Christ ALONE-for our salvation.

    Sincerely

  41. Hey, all of you who want to know the Truth re: Mormonism vs Christianity, THIS Website is the most Powerful I have ever seen in my 43 years of following and trusting in Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior. You can watch several well-done documentaries with clear and complete discussions with Mormons and Christians just looking at all of the clear evidence, teachings, scripture – EVERYTHING. ANYONE who wants to know the Truth, go here and watch & learn and LIVE! http://sourceflix.com/the-bible-vs-the-book-of-mormon/ PLEASE let me know what YOU find. In HIS Love & Service, Richard

    • graciegirl says:

      that site is great! I almost forgot that they can prove with DNA the Native Americans are NOT decendents from the Jews like the Book of Mormon states. They KNOW they are from southeast Asia. DNA, God’s blueprints, revealing the truth.

    • fproy2222 says:

      One of my hobbies is to study what antiMormons teach about the beliefs and teachings of my Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints).

      My faith and testimony of Heavenly Father’s restored gospel have grown as I find what the amtiMormons leave out of their teachings.

      fred

      • graciegirl says:

        Hi Fred, since it’s your hobby, did you happen to check out the source flix site above, what did they “leave out” of the ‘DNA vs. the book of mormon’ link? Even the mormon researcher can’t reconcile the evidence. It seems they exhausted every angle. I would love to know what was left out that could offset all those facts.

        • fproy2222 says:

          What do you think about all the evidences that the author of the original article miss used the science of DNA in coming to his conclusions?
          fred

          • graciegirl says:

            I’m sorry, Fred, what article are you referring to? Did you watch the DNA link from source flix? What exactly is all the evidence that is being misused?

          • fproy2222 says:

            graciegirl

            You seem to be saying that you accept the junk science used to prove the Book of Mormon without checking out if it is true or not.

            Remember, I am not asking you to believe what we teach, I am asking you to insure you have the facts correct. I am sure you would not want to use a lie in trying to prove our doctrine wrong.

            fred

  42. csmithsr90 says:

    azsorensenm,

    It’s been awhile since I checked this, but you never did answer my points as I wrote on October 17th. Do you still insist your original assertation that your Jesus is the same Jesus of orthodox historic Christianity? That Mormons are in fact Christians?

    A new question, can a true prophet of God lie about a message from God ? Josoph Smith (no relation that I know of) claimed that he translated the Book of Abraham from an Egyptian text he ‘discovered’. Is this not still in the possesion of the LDS? Has it not on every occasion the church has allowed egyptian scholars to examine it, found to actually be a very common funerary text called ‘The Book of Breathings” Son (assumption you are male, apologies if you are not) your own church has no answer for this. Don’t blindly follow a man claiming to be a prophet until you reaserch his claims fully. Don’t lean on the churches cover story, but study factual evidence. What ever you do, don’t fall back on your testemony as the scriptures (New Testement) tell us our hearts are easily deceived. Receive the Bibles teaching as written, not as is explained by those who would fleece the flock.

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